When is emulating video games okay

  • 2019-06-23, 09:12 AM#41

    Please wait

    Can I buy the game legally from the original seller/dristibutor? Yes? I'll do that. No? Time to go sailing.

    If my only choice to own it "legally" is to buy 2nd hand, I won't bother. Don't much see the point in it when the IP owner won't see a penny


  • 2019-06-23, 09:38 AM#42

    Moderator

    If no one is actually selling the title, then no one is losing revenue over the emulation.


  • 2019-06-23, 10:59 AM#43

    Warchief

    legally it's a grey area at best (in the case of abandonware) and usually clearly illegal, but morally I'd say if a game isn't available on a format you can play it on without emulation then it's not like they're losing out on a sale because you use an emulator. still, it's best to still buy a copy of the game if you enjoy it, to thank the developers


  • 2019-06-23, 11:08 AM#44

    Titan

    Got no issues with it for games that are no longer available commercially. Other than that it is flat out theft...


  • 2019-06-23, 12:26 PM#45

    Old God
    No, it isn't clearly illegal. If anything it's clearly legal as Sony and Nintendo tried multiple times and lost. If anyone remembers Bleem, then you'll understand.

    Originally Posted by rayvio

    legally it's a grey area at best (in the case of abandonware) and usually clearly illegal, but morally I'd say if a game isn't available on a format you can play it on without emulation then it's not like they're losing out on a sale because you use an emulator. still, it's best to still buy a copy of the game if you enjoy it, to thank the developers


  • 2019-06-23, 12:28 PM#46

    Legendary!

    it's piracy and there's nothing wrong with that


  • 2019-06-23, 12:34 PM#47

    Void Lord
    Originally Posted by Tojara

    Look Batman really isn't an accurate source by any means

    Originally Posted by Hooked

    It is a fact, not just something I made up.

    Emulation, abandonware etc are a necessary form of preservation. Regardless of the strict legality.

    Also video games need to enter the public domain a lot faster.


  • 2019-06-23, 02:22 PM#48

    The Unstoppable Force

    r.i.p. alleria. 1997-2017. blizzard ruined alleria forever. blizz assassinated alleria's character and appearance.
    i will never forgive you for this blizzard.

    on that note i really wish nintendo would release advance wars on pc.
    Originally Posted by Trassk

    If they are old games that companies have not re-released in a good format (example I brought the Megaman legacy collection on Steam) then I see no problem emulating them if companies don't want to even try.


  • 2019-06-23, 03:22 PM#49

    Banned
    This.

    Movies are these days made easily accessible even ones going back 100 years, from blue ray/ 4D copies to downloads, so games should be given the same treatment. Sometimes it doesn't matter how advanced graphics are for games, playing things you enjoyed as a child or even getting the current young generation to enjoy them to is giving respect to these things.
    Originally Posted by Mormolyce

    Emulation, abandonware etc are a necessary form of preservation. Regardless of the strict legality.

    Also video games need to enter the public domain a lot faster.


  • 2019-06-23, 04:52 PM#50

    Epic!

    my thought is if the game is no longer being sold, it should be legal to emulate it as your not hurting the sales of anyone with a claim of ownership


  • 2019-06-23, 05:03 PM#51

    The Lightbringer
    Frankly, I'd rather pirate it than buy a console.

    And guess what? Not gonna go to jail.
    Originally Posted by PACOX

    The way to play an exclusive is to buy the console. You don't see console players saying 'port WoW or we're going to steal it'. You can't claim the high ground when you're willing to buy the hardware. Thats just stealing.


  • 2019-06-23, 07:49 PM#52

    Lego Moderator

    "Okay, Robin. Together, we're gonna punch these guys so hard, words describing the impact are gonna spontaneously materialize out of thin air."
    - Lego Batman

    If there are no legal means to obtain the game from the copyright holder, then I think it is fine to emulate the game. Like, if I have money and wish to purchase this game, but no avenue exists for me doing so legally via the holder (or some intermediary like a gameshop/Steam), then I can't really understand how emulation is wrong. You can't even argue copyright infringement since, at least in the US, one of the three key points is harming the market for the original product. If there is no market for it, then you cannot harm it.


  • 2019-06-26, 07:01 AM#53

    Banned

    Not going to recommend piracy of any sort. That said, if you want to legitimately emulate, the best option is a PC hooked up to your tv. If you can't do that, then, yes, Raspberry Pi is a very good option. Retroarch is really the go-to for most people. While I like their Android app, I personally find their PC app to have a user friendliness somewhere between the Stargate and that puzzle box from Hellraiser.
    For PS2, nothing compares to PCSX2. It's amazing.
    For DS, I like DSEMU.
    Those are the only things I emulate on PC, so that's all I've got.


  • 2019-06-26, 01:36 PM#54

    Old God
    I would, that's how we got services like NetFlix and iTunes. Piracy killed the music industry as well as the rental industry. If the gaming industry doesn't do what you want them to do, A.K.A port their games to PC then by all means pirate way. There's no reason why in 2019 I should be forced to buy an Xbox, Playstation, and Nintendo product just to play a handful of exclusive games. When I could just own one product a PC and play all the games at higher quality. Plus piracy sends a very clear message, and that is there's demand for your product but we don't like the current implementation of it. Monopolizing exclusives is a terrible practice and should stop.

    Nintendo and Sony need to make their own version of Steam and bring their exclusives to PC. Microsoft... just put your games on Steam. Lets be real here, nobody cares what Microsoft does cause their exclusives suck.

    Originally Posted by JayZz

    Not going to recommend piracy of any sort.


  • 2019-06-26, 01:39 PM#55

    The Undying

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    "This will be a fight against overwhelming odds from which survival cannot be expected. We will do what damage we can."

    -- Capt. Copeland

    The whole digital rights thing for me is problematic.

    I can see all sides of the issue.

    The older the game, movie or whatever the less I have issues with it.

    While the worst thing someone can do is steal a two week old game released by some struggling indie company.


  • 2019-06-26, 01:49 PM#56

    Old God
    If the Indie company had a truly good product and a low price, less people would pirate it. I did pirate Hollow Knight but then I bought it for $15 off Steam. I will be buying SilkSong when it's released because I now have confidence that will be a good game. Too many terrible games with terrible DLC and terrible micro-transactions. Pirating first before buying is never more relevant today then ever before.
    Originally Posted by freefolk

    The whole digital rights thing for me is problematic.

    I can see all sides of the issue.

    The older the game, movie or whatever the less I have issues with it.

    While the worst thing someone can do is steal a two week old game released by some struggling indie company.


  • 2019-06-26, 02:36 PM#57

    Pandaren Monk

    Last edited by Cidzor; 2019-06-26 at 06:05 PM.

    Pretty much this. I'm okay with it if there's no longer a legal way to buy the games/consoles through the proper channels, or it's some super rare game that I wouldn't have been able to find even when it was new.

    I also don't see how it's morally any better to buy a used copy of some 30-year-old game cartridge off eBay instead of turning to emulation for that game. The original developers and any other people involved with the game's creation/distribution (if they even still exist) aren't going to see a dime of that transaction either way. And the game is otherwise unavailable. Your only other choice is to not play it.

    Granted, those "Classic" consoles we have now are sort of throwing a wrench into that argument, but they still only have a limited selection of games.
    Originally Posted by Temp name

    Can I buy the game legally from the original seller/dristibutor? Yes? I'll do that. No? Time to go sailing.
    If my only choice to own it "legally" is to buy 2nd hand, I won't bother. Don't much see the point in it when the IP owner won't see a penny


  • 2019-06-26, 03:12 PM#58

    Titan

    Super Mario Maker 2: Maker ID 8B7-CTF-NMG

    - let's get real everyone, classic needs #somechanges get over it.

    After a game is 10 or more years old it is fair game, the developers had plenty of time to make their money on multiple console generations. People will probably still shit on me for this outlook but they cannot do anything about it anyways.

    Also game companies like Nintendo could create a universal game licencing system where you buy a game once and you have access to any re-release of it in its basic form.

    - - - Updated - - -

    100% agree.
    Originally Posted by Mormolyce

    Emulation, abandonware etc are a necessary form of preservation. Regardless of the strict legality.

    Also video games need to enter the public domain a lot faster.


  • 2019-06-26, 04:40 PM#59

    Old God
    That would never work as Nintendo makes far too much money off reselling games you already own. Why you think they're shutting down rom websites?

    I would like to see a divorce from game studios and platforms to remove exclusivity. That way Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft will have to make hardware that people want to buy and not the exclusive software for it, while also allowing studios to port games to whatever platform they choose. This happened already for the movie theatre industry as some movies were exclusive for certain theatres, until a law was passed nearly 100 years ago. The Switch requires you to use a phone to talk to other people, which that would never fly if the Switch was sold as hardware and not a platform with Nintendo exclusives.

    Let the hardware sell itself, not the software.
    Originally Posted by Unholyground

    Also game companies like Nintendo could create a universal game licencing system where you buy a game once and you have access to any re-release of it in its basic form.


  • 2019-06-26, 04:44 PM#60

    Titan

    Super Mario Maker 2: Maker ID 8B7-CTF-NMG

    - let's get real everyone, classic needs #somechanges get over it.

    They have failed, there are now far better rom sites than before lol.

    I have been buying hard drives to catalog all the older platforms rom/bios files so I will have them even if the internet turns into a fuckfest in the coming years.
    Originally Posted by Vash The Stampede

    That would never work as Nintendo makes far too much money off reselling games you already own. Why you think they're shutting down rom websites?

    I would like to see a divorce from game studios and platforms to remove exclusivity. That way Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft will have to make hardware that people want to buy and not the exclusive software for it, while also allowing studios to port games to whatever platform they choose. This happened already for the movie theatre industry as some movies were exclusive for certain theatres, until a law was passed nearly 100 years ago. The Switch requires you to use a phone to talk to other people, which that would never fly if the Switch was sold as hardware and not a platform with Nintendo exclusives.

    Let the hardware sell itself, not the software.